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10/22/2007
Clarifying

10/17/2007
Immediate Aftermath of Betrayal
I want to thank too those mental health professionals in our midst who have sent us their insights and opinions.
We were talking last night and she is not certain how she will move ahead.
She risked giving me a lot of feedback about openness and honesty she'd like to see in my relationship with her that she thinks will help her, and I am going to work to make those changes. Last night she seemed to be in a place of feeling that if she had that change, resumed exercising, started taking herbal anti-depressants, and just continued living, so that the loss and huge transition the hysterectomy and concomitant menopause has created, falls more distantly into her past, that she might be fine. I'm not sure if I buy that, but am certainly ready to do my part to make changes in our relationship (greater honesty, more directness, particularly with regard to my desire for SM with others, etc.)
Some of you I think may have missed (and please, I'm not being critical...It was wonderful you cared enough to spend energy on our situation and to write us trying to help) that we did check the kink aware professional list. It would be so awesome if we lived where there was a list of KAP's from which to choose, so we could look down the "list" and interview all of them. Our reality is that there is one kink aware counselor within feasible distance of us. I did interview him at the beginning of this year as well as some other counselors/psychologists, etc. I found him excellent in terms of his credentials, his history of affiliations with agencies in our community, and his record with our state in terms of the absence of any complaints, ever, despite a lengthy career. (I happen to have a Masters in Counseling Psychology and direct a nonprofit social service agency here, and so know how to access relevant information). She did see him. I accompanied her to her first visit and was included in the session. The fact is she didn't feel comfortable with their direction and ended the relationship after about 5 (?) sessions. By the way, I still think he is quite good and I would happily refer people to see him whether part of the kink community or not. Sue simply didn't feel that their conversation was headed in a helpful direction, and hated going to therapy.
I didn't do the prescreening this time fearing that perhaps it was my rather directive (imagine that......me......being directive:) and very participatory approach to brokering her/our relationship with that therapist might have been part of the problem.
I'm aware of family (conjoint) therapy as one of you suggested. The issue we have regarding that is that (were we, first of all, to be able to find a competent, knowledgeable, respectful, etc. therapist) health insurance doesn't cover anything other than individual therapy. Thus, there is little market for such approaches, leading practitioners to not develop capacity to deliver that style of therapy. Additionally when it is discussed (I asked), it is generally priced at individual counseling rates. So if we would imagine individual counseling going off at somewhere between $80.00 and $150.00/hour, then the three of us in conjoint therapy would be priced at $240.00 to $450.00/hour. We are talking about taking on an expense that would likely average perhaps $1500.00 a month. We don't have $1500.00/month to pay for this.
One of the challenges we have in discussing this is that I love therapy. I'd love it if we got into conjoint therapy. I enjoy getting down and mucking about in our feelings and motivations and histories and behaviors, etc. within the context of a relationship with a good therapist. Swan hates it and feels stripped and vulnerable and embarrassed and humiliated. T too feels she would rather do anything than have to discuss her feelings. All that aside, though, conjoint therapy is simply not economically possible for us.
So it's, been just one day since swan met this asshole, and she is recovered amazingly well considering how distraught this made her. Having said that she awoke this morning "all wired-up" having spent a good bit of her early morning lying awake replaying the session Monday evening over in her head, and being upset by it.
I've told her that I think returning to seeing the local KAP would make sense with suggestions as to how she might handle it when she doesn't like their direction. I too have left the door open for her to follow the exercise, and relational change approach, if she feels that is what she needs for now.....maybe forever. I am not usually such an indecisive, participatory partner in our 'stuff." I don't feel my compelling her to do psychotherapy or mandating a specific therapist would help her.....not unless her depression were to worsen greatly (although admittedly you are listening to the diagnosis of someone with whom he is deeply in love with, living with, etc., not an impartial professional, so who knows.)
Anyway THANK YOU so much for all the kind words. I know how impotent it often feels, sitting at a keyboard, knowing someone you have come to care for is hurting, but having nothing more tangible to offer than expressions of concern, sympathy, empathy, etc. This time your expressions of caring and support actually helped, and are very deeply appreciated.
As we go forward if you have thoughts, feelings, caring, please let us know.
All the best:)
Tom
Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you've imagined.
10/15/2007
Betrayed!!!!
Tonight at 6:15 was sue's first appointment with her new counselor. She was up half of last night anguishing over the prospect. She really reacts to this buiness of seeking mental health care with terrible stigma, no matter what anyone tells her. She knows that this means she is mentally ill and that means she is wrong and defective.
You may recall that she had seen a "kink aware professional" I located for her earlier this year. He suggested she make changes she didn't feel were realistic and she didn't like him. She stopped seeing him.
I purposely was only peripherally involved in selecting this one. I was somewhat more involved though after she located the one we wrote about a few days ago who seemed intent on providing "Christian counseling." But this one really was mostly her choice.
She phoned me as I was only a few minutes into my drive home. She was crying so hard it was difficult to understand her. Apparently her new counselor spent most of their hour together lecturing her that of course she was depressed and having rages. No woman could react any other way to the way she was living. She doesn't know if she really belongs. She is only there to the extent whe is permitted to be. Her life is totally hopeless. The only "cure" for her is for her to leave t and I and find a decent relationship.
In her initial email to these folks she had specified that she was in a polyamorous BDSM lifestyle. He had no knowledge of this and didn't understand what those terms meant. Apparently it was when she defined polyamory that he launched into his tyrade the rest of the hour. She was (and is) so devastated that she offered no rejoinder. It sounds like an hour of therapy spent listening to his ravings with very little input from her.
She came home, and amidst all this, had dinner on the table when t and I arrived (talk about an amazing slave). I did as much hugging and assuring her I love her forever and always will as I could, but she had developed a migraine........huge surprise.....on top of it we have a major front moving in, the only significant rain front we've had in two and a half months. She is passed out, snoring away on the couch, sleeping off a migraine med.
So do I suggest going back there (a clinic like pracitce with seeral practitioners.....maybe they'd have a reasonable one....if you could ever get her to set oot in the place again), or go back to the kink aware guy, who may seem less noxious, or try to fine someone esle? Or do I hope this will have made her feel so defensive of our lifestyle and maybe if she gets some appropriate meds (if we can find a practitioner for that) she will feel better? ( I know that sounds nuts..but I'm feeling desperate.) Or..........I don't know what the other "or" is.
I will wake her up now and take her to bed and do my best to hold her all I can and assure her I'll always love her all ways and always.
That is how it went.
Thank you so much for all your support and insght from most of you.
For the occasional Christian who has commented here, you won this day, but you won't win the war. We will keep our swan and see her well.
Tom
Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you've imagined.
10/14/2007
Please Remember You are Listening to Me, Mostly...
if one person in a relationship finds it their natural inclination to want
to be intimate with others for whatever reason, and another in relationship with
them finds it in their natural inclination to not want to share, where is the
win/win state? who's needs come first? which are needs and which are merely
wants? does that matter? and in a case such as yours, because he is your Master,
does that mean he is the authority for you in ALL aspects of your life, even if
his choices go against your well-being? can anyone know your heart better than
you? you've written about this before, insightfully so, so this is a
long-standing struggle.
At the risk of falling into the trap of "protesting too much," and knowing that I've probably done this all before, I'm going to try to address some of the questions and concerns that I know are embedded in that (I am sure) well-meaning set of queries/statements.
First of all, it is important to remember, as you read here, that however we name this place, mostly it is me. Master and T seldom write here. They could, but neither of them seem to feel the drive to pour out words in this place, and of course, neither of them are under any particular directive to do that. So, the point of view and perspective is almost entirely mine. I am not dishonest in my reporting here, but I am one person, with my own perceptions and reactions. You are not, in reading here, getting a balanced view of our lives or of the cast of characters in this little family drama. You are liable to get a whole lot more of "me" in the upcoming weeks and months. I have considered taking my "therapeutic" meanderings to some other "private" blog, but it seems counterproductive to take whatever is about to happen out of this place. When this is done, I hope it will form a valuable part of the fabric of this story.
Then, please keep in mind that ours is a relationship that is grounded in a power-exchange dynamic. He is "Master," and, as such, He does have the authority and right to make decisions in ALL areas of my life. There are many areas where He chooses not to exercise that authority, and I have a good deal of autonomy, but that is only because He gives me that latitude. He does not act in ways that are purposefully detrimental to my well-being or happiness. He invests significant energy in seeing to my health, happiness, and overall wellness. Still, it is the nature of our life together that the balance between us is specifically unequal. His needs and wants DO come first, if it comes down to it. That is not something that should be construed as a negative. It is something that I sought out, asked for, wanted, chose. It is not something that has ever been "imposed on" me. Further, when I can feel that balance slipping toward something that others might feel is more "fair" and equitable, it makes me uneasy and anxious. I realize that this is a reality that is difficult to credit and understand, but it is the truth and honest fact of my life and the essence of who I am. To deny this is to deny my very core being.
I do struggle with the gap between "being poly" at a philosophical, intellectual level, and "doing poly" in the immediate and real place where a potential new person is on the horizon. That is what you have seen me struggle with here on more than one occasion, if you have been reading for more than just a little bit. I am not proud of that struggle. I wish I were less "freaked out" by that passage from theory to practice. It would be easier for us all. There are a whole lot of factors to that particular bumpiness. If you read carefully, you could probably make the list up for yourself. I won't bore you with running it all again. I do think, however, that it trivializes the truth of our lives to simply reduce this to His "wants" versus my "wants." His inclination to be poly, and hence NEED others in His life, is no less valid than my inclination to be more singular, and hence NEED a focused intimacy. I don't believe that one of those inclinations should necessarily trump the other. Further, I'm not sure they are mutually exclusive. I am pretty well convinced that there is a way to reconcile the two of them, given the appropriate set of circumstances, and enough time, and enough space, and the right people. I know that a disastrously abortive venture in the past (with a dreadfully unqualified potential partner) left its own scarring that has never really healed, and that we've mostly avoided processing that because we each have our own hurts around it that are very tender.
I think poly is enormously complicated. We've been doing it the way we do it for well over five years now, and we know very few "families" like ours. There are a number of more loosely associated poly groupings that we know of, where the intimate expectations and interpersonal intensity levels are somewhat lower. That sort of "organization" may make it easier. I don't know. I do know that knowing and understanding and believing in the theories doesn't make the feelings and emotional reactions disappear. Human interrelatedness is the most complex undertaking in which we can engage. I think we've been learning together all these years. I think we've had some real and significant challenges along the way. I know that I'm ready to leave the hurts behind; heal from the wounds; and move forward. I believe that it is possible to do that and come together to something good for us all. That is the work that I think we are all hoping to do in these next months.
swan
10/13/2007
"Poly" Math
One of my particular interests is the area of study that has to do with transfinite mathematics. Don't panic... I often DO this with my students, so it is perfectly accessible...
Here lately, I've
been thinking about the linkage between the theories of the mathematics of "infinity," and the mathematics of polyamory. So, if you want to play on this one, you need to go read a "story." It is called "The Hotel Infinity", and it really is a story. Go ahead. It takes a bit of time to read. I'll wait.Back now? OK. Then here's how I'm thinking about all of this...
are poly "webs" where the people involved are really engaging in a tangled set of associated intimate associations. In these relationships, one member may have connections to a number of intimate partners, and each of those partners may have other intimate connections, and so on. The various strands may be only loosely connected to one another, although they may all be aware of the others to some degree or another. It meets the "requirements" for being poly in the sense that no one is being deceptive, and everyone understands that there are all those other connections, but there is little or no intense interaction or connectivity across the various linkage nodes. It really does resemble a big, messy spider web. In such a configuration, if one participant "pulls" on a particular connection, it may impact others within the web, but depending on how far removed they are, they may feel very little of the emotional or relational impact of that "pull."
other models for poly that tend to involve fewer members, and form up into configurations that are often "geometric" in terms of how their members relate to one another, and in how we tend to describe them. These are the quads and triads of the poly world. These poly relationships are generally less free-wheeling than the webs. There is often a sort of closed or fidelitous component to these relationships. With
in these poly groupings, members may have agreements that allow for the addition of new members through some sort of process that includes input and acceptance from everyone within the group. 10/12/2007
Love Our Lurkers (LOL) Day

I'll play.
Bonnie over at My Bottom Smarts has declared today to be "Love Our Lurkers" LOL Day. This is the official day when we, who write these pages all over the cyber universe, are banding together to invite all those who join us to "read" silently to stop for just a moment and say, "Hi."
I'm sure I'm like so many others -- I occasionally wonder about the "other 175" -- the ones who show up regularly in my stats but are not the dozen or so who I can identify because they leave me a comment now and then. I DO have a sort of wry affection for the shy ones in my reading family, I feel like I know them somehow, too... I just don't have anyway to think about them as individuals. Perhaps after today, a few will change that. The door is, as always, open...
Leave a comment, if you lurk. Join in the conversation. Celebrate LOL with us.
swan
10/11/2007
Wispy Ideas
This is going to be complicated (I think). I am spending an awful lot of my thinking time trying to unravel the (to me, seemingly mysterious) questions and issues that are making me so "nutty" these days. If you are not particularly interested in mucking around in my mental meanderings and psychological wallowings, I'd suggest clicking off now and moving on to something more "juicy." For those who are following the saga, I do have an appointment with a therapist on Monday evening. The person I / We found is male and "vanilla." I have sent him an introductory email that gives a broad, although brief, description of my lifestyle and circumstances, so he has some awareness going in of what my basic story is. I'll just have to take a deep breath and give this a fair shot.
Many of you have sent private emails offering encouragement and a variety of suggestions about finding "kink aware" or "kink friendly" professionals. I am most appreciative of everyone who has taken the time to reach out in friendship and concern. Thank you. We have already explored the "kink aware" option, and chosen to go this other route at this time. Let's just leave it at that.
Perhaps it is the fact that I've come to some acceptance of the necessity for doing this, but I am beginning to notice things about the way I think and perceive things and events that I believe are creating distress and frustration for me. I am, just now, beginning to notice patterns of thinking and reacting that I think have become habitual -- and in noticing them, I am not surprised that the messages that I am giving myself about myself are keeping me in a pretty constant state of turmoil, frustration, and anger.
In simple terms, I seem to have developed a pattern of thinking about myself that revolves around a series of assumptions that I am "bad," "wrong," "evil," etc. I have really not been aware of it in any conscious sense. Prior to this, I had really only identified an intensifying level of bitterness and anger over the whole idea and philosophy of "polyamory" even as I lived it. Now, while I have been aware of the paradoxical nature of that set of emotional reactions, I have not been able to logically talk my way out of the feelings. And so, everytime the topic of "poly" has come up in conversation, or on the news, or in some other context, I've felt myself tightening up, stiffening, bristling -- wanting to just stomp my feet, and declare the whole idea to be so much "bullshit." Of course, internally, all that raging was leaving me with the fundamental question of, "So where does that leave me?" Not a comfortable edge to be walking.
I have thought that I was mad about poly. Thought that I was mad because I was not poly and was IN a poly relationship, and so was a dreadful hypocrite; living a lie; yada, yada, yada... I think, though that isn't it at all. I think that what has happened to me has been a very insidious and powerful sort of communal brain washing/group think experience that has left me repeating a litany of negative self talk that is, almost literally, killing me.
Here's how I think this has maybe gone (and I may not have all of this exactly right -- I'm crazy remember, so cut me some slack):
It might be that the beginning of this is in my first recognition and acknowledgement of my own submissive nature. In allowing that part of myself to BE, I determined to drop the hard shell that had been my defensive shield throughout my whole life. To come into a place of giving over control and learning to allow someone to touch me in my most vulnerable places, I had to find a way to soften up and become more malleable, more pliant, more open. It didn't happen all at once, but over time, I have lost a lot of the sharp-tongued, cynical, sarcastic, caustic, fangy, defended psychic armor that saw me through most of my first 47 or 48 years. I'm way easier to "get to" nowadays -- for just about everyone.
What is getting through my armor is every barb that the world throws at the woman who doesn't toe the line in terms of the socially accepted morals and mores. I know that we have come to believe that all that sort of thing passed on in the aftermath of the countercultural revolutionary 1960's, but I know better. If you watch Oprah or read a little bit or listen to the news reports about polygamy trials and the like, you can get the flavor of it. If you live in the heart of the Midwest, as we do; right here on the edge of the Bible belt, as we do; in a state so red that even the Crayola boxes are missing the blue ones, as we do -- you would understand how really aghast the world is that a woman like me is allowed to exist and live as I do. I am one of those women who still cause decent people to raise their eyebrows and shake their heads in disbeli
ef. I am one of those women who cause the married ladies of the world to hold on tightly to their husbands, lest I snatch them from their sides. I am one of those women who might do just about any sort of perverse or unnatural thing, so I bear careful watching.
Most of the world believes... thinks... says... that I am "BAD." It is simply impossible to live in this society, grow up in this culture, get raised in most pretty normal, average families here, and not absorb the models and messages and imprints that say that monogamy is THE WAY. No matter that it is false and faulty and facetious, the fantasy is sold everywhere, in every medium, through a thousand thousand different pulses of information every year of our lives until we cannot know from whence we learned it. White lace and promises...
And so... I catch myself doing it to myself now. For example: we went to a munch with some local kinksters last night. You would think that would be a safe and easy and accepting environment where we could feel at ease and comfortable and not have to be defended about who and what we are, and it was. Except that as we got to the restaraunt and sat down at the table and began to make introductions, Master explained to some people sitting near us that we were a poly triad; that T would be joining us a little bit later as soon as she got off work; that she was His wife; and that I had joined them about five years ago. I started to say, "I'm the other woman," but heard what that sounded like in my head, and stopped before I actually uttered the words. Still, I was stunned that the thought was there, in my mind, ready to come pouring out of my mouth. Clearly, I've absorbed the message of the culture; taken it deep into my psyche. Even when others do not look at me with negative judgement, I apply it to myself anyway.
I can't change the laws. I can't change the way society views marriage and family relatedness, and I can't make that all be fair. I can, however do something about the words I use to describe my own life, my own loves, my own self. I am not "bad." I am a good and worthy person, with a good heart and I don't deserve to hurt the way I've been hurting over all of this. I reject those judgements. I won't accept them from outside and I will surely not accept them from within. I am aware of the words I've been saying to myself now. I'm not sure how or when I got that set of messages going, or why. I am sure it needs to end. Right now. For good and all.
swan