So. If you do not want to read the rant that has been going on in my head, go somewhere else now.
The person who wrote the "charming" and oh so typically dismissive piece at "Freedom's Place" punched so many of the buttons that society uses to dismiss and marginalize those of us who pursue a lifestyle alternative that is seen as other than the norm. As I read first morningstar's response to footpad, and then the others that followed, I noticed that nobody seemed to find that what he had to say was offensive. Honestly, that surprises me. How dare this person just assume that he has the right to make these judgements without even a scintilla of a question as to whether there is a foundation for the reasoning behind all of this drivel? And why does everyone just go along for the ride, and pat this whiner on the head and chime in with "oh, poor thing..."
So let me just go through my issues:
- The "Freedom's Place" writer states, "I am not in a submissive, nor dominate, relationship...and I want neither. Nor do I particularly want to participate in a community that makes such a relationship, well, important." Such a relationship? The implication behind this must be that it is just "our kind" of relating that is out of bounds. Other relationships, I assume, would be perfectly acceptable to discuss, consider, dissect, encourage, support, and write about at whatever length. Traditional marriages, and all the vagaries and issues associated with them would, presumably, not trouble this individual, and would be entirely acceptable topics of discussion. Never mind that these relationships are all fraught with their own, usually unacknowleged, power exchange, dominance and submission issues. So this is just not good enough. If you are going to disallow one kind of relationship dynamic, then it must be that all relational dynamics must be unacceptable topics of discussion for the blog forum. So, just do not talk about any person with whom you relate, regardless of gender or marital status. Do not discuss children that you may have given birth to or raised. Do not mention any concerns about any family members of any age or relational status. Do not bring up any of the worries or sorrow or joys that may come about as a result of being a human person involved in intimate relationship because that is somehow "inappropriate."
- Then, footpad writes, "Over the years, I've been involved in many online communities, each dedicated to different (technical) issues. I've not squaked about them because I've been truly anonymous with them. However, this one has my RL photo associated with it." So, if you are anonymous, it doesn't matter what a community does? There is only a need to hold yourself or the community to a standard if you have a "face?" Let me make it clear -- if that is the standard, then what I write can be counted on to be absolutely up front, because here at "The Heron Clan," you have our faces, my neck, and my ass on the line. I'm willing to back what goes on here with the full credibility of my own heart, soul, and yes, face. No hiding behind the cowardice of cyber anonymity.
- Then, the "Freedom's Place" writer brings in the children. "And, yet, I find myself hesitating to let my children read the posts herein. Look, I don't really care what you do in the privacy in your own bedroom. Nor do I want you prying into my own." Sigh. Why is it that people do this? Don't they understand that children above the age of about 8 or 9 are simply awash in all sorts of influences that they cannot control anyway, and so they'd best be proactive in discussing and explaining and "parenting" around that, so that the lines of communication remain open for them to have some reasonable influence? Do they live in homes with televisions (Desperate Housewives, Fear Factor, etc.) and radios and I-pods and all the various media? Do their children go out and talk and interact with other children? If, as a parent, you would prefer to not allow your child to see certain things on a certain site or on a certain television program, etc., then take steps to make that happen, but do not bring that out as a club to limit the participation of other adults in that site -- or to constrain the discussions or conversations of those adults. Again, I am uncertain, why this writer has problems with some of the content at Freedom's Place (in relationship to children -- BDSM specific) but not other topics (drinking perhaps or smoking for instance). It's an interesting double standard. Further, I wonder what, exactly, it is that is so horrible about what has been written so far by morningstar, that children of a certain age could not be engaged in talking about it with a responsible, caring parent. Sex and the variations of how humans relate to one another are topics which children and adolescents are appropriately curious about. Parents and caring adults in their lives are the absolute best people for them to discuss these questions with -- assuming these people remain available for those conversations. Sadly, too often, those people make themselves unavailable because they convey that these topics are "off limits."
- Then the "Freedom's Place" writer gets truly incoherent as the ultimate meltdown begins to show up: "My personal hope for this space was to engage in interesting discussion with different people from a variety of cultures different from my own. Yet, what seems to be taking place is more appropriate for the letters page of various and sundry adult publications or a singles bar. A couple of you were pretty defensive about your personal interests. If this community is to become another avenue to reach out, rather than embace, to "non participants," then I need bow out and (as graciously as possible) disassociate my photo and my support from such as place.Look, I frankly don't care what you do behind the bedroom curtains. But I really have to ask if it's completely necessary to lead with your sexual interests. Would you walk into a new situation and say (essentially), "Hi all, I'm a sub and your OK?"I don't think so. IF so, well...um...Thanks for sharing.(I guess.)Is this making any sense?Look, Freedom's Place is a new community and it needs to determine what, precisely, separates it from every other community in the 'Sphere. If it's to become yet another place for soft porn, OK. That's where's it's citizens choose to go. Obviously, there is no desire to be with anyone who is that "different." The only different people this one wants to get to know are the acceptably different sorts. Clearly, the view has been forever distorted by too much time spent with "porn" which has defined the understanding of what it is that WE must be about, and so there is no need to get to know anything about our sort of people. OUR "culture" isn't of any interest, and that has been pre-determined before the trip even gets off the ground. This writer employs exactly the same argument/implication that was used to keep gay and lesbian people in hiding for so long: "must you TELL everyone about your lifestyle?" It is the belief that everything we do is by definition sexual and pornographic and therefore somehow relegatable to the bedroom. Under this rationale, our orientation can be hidden from view and separated from the rest of our lives. If this is the requirement for US, then, why is it not the requirement for everyone else? Why are others allowed to discuss their marital status, their partners, their household living arrangements, etc.? And why are these things not considered to be inherently sexual? Yes, some of what goes on with BDSM is sexy and sexual. I'll not deny it. However, as I recall, some of what I did as a "vanilla" wife and mother was sexy and sexual, too. If we are going to disallow everything that hints of sex in relationships, then why is it that we do not admonish the "vanillas" in our society to keep all references to their lifestyle out of sight? Why is it OK for them to openly declare that they are wives and husbands; to flash titles like Mr. and Mrs.; to go about proudly boasting that they've given birth to two, three, four or more children (clear evidence of having participated in vaginal intercourse). Why is it that we have no problem at all with the clearly erotic celebration of traditional marriages and the power exchange oriented religious/traditional wedding vows that follow the form:
Priest say unto the Man:
Wilt the have this Woman to be thy wedded wife, to live together after God's
ordinance in the holy estate of Matrimony? Wilt the love her, comfort her,
honour, and keep her, in sickness and in health; and forsaking all other, keep
thee only unto her, so long as ye both shall live?
The Man shall answer: I
will.
Then shall the Priest say to the Woman: Wilt the have this man to be
thy wedded husband, to live together after God's ordinance in the holy estate of
Matrimony? Wilt the obey him, and serve him, love, honour, and keep him in
sickness and in health; and, forsaking all other, keep thee only unto him, so
long as ye both shall live?
I imagine I'll not be invited to write at "Freedom's Place," but that's OK. It's a hell of a lot more honest right here.
swan
Amen!!!! I've been dealing with my own situation involving intolerance this morning, which I won't get into here, but suffice it to say your post expresses beautifully the rage that has been simmering in my gut and already caused me a $100+ mistake with my work. Thank you for saying what I have not been able to.
ReplyDeleteya know swan... for a quiet demure lady type you sure do pack a whallop!!! (grinning) why oh why can't i use words like you do??
ReplyDeleteEvery time i read a comment on the "Butterfly Shop" i felt as though i had been punched in the stomach. i did apologise for rocking the boat.. mainly cause it never did feel like "home" or my blog.. even though i was invited to write for it....i kept feeling like a guest and like i should be on my best party behaviour...i brought my rants back to safe territory.. my blog.
oh and btw.. the name Freedom's Place originated from my suggestion we call the new blog "Freedom".. ohhhhhh god i was stupid.. i actually believed there could be.. even marginally.. a place of freedom for all of us !!!
live and learn eh??
well written swan .. very well written.... and thank you for saying what i couldn't...
morningstar (owned by Warren)
Thank you for that rant, swan. Very well said.
ReplyDeleteYou did pack a punch! It was much needed!
ReplyDeleteGo girl.
You're very good with words and are a wonderful person.
"Freedom" indeed
mel
Yo swan...
ReplyDeleteGood rant. Coherent. Well argued. Nice reasoning.
The only thing that I wonder about is why on earth you're SURPRISED!!!
I'm a South African, observing American culture by osmosis through the media, through blogs, through leftwing outlets such as Huffington Post, through reactive lefties like Michael Moore.
And all I can see is this: 'The American PEOPLE voted for George Bush. The American PEOPLE are unable to see what's under their noses.'
Of COURSE I'm generalising, and that might appear to mean that I'm dismissing ALL Americans. Of course I'm not. You guys are a shining beacon of hope to external types such as myself. (I mean that in a political sense.)
But the reality from the outside is that George Bush HAS NOT BEEN IMPEACHED. And that's cause for global concern. I can't imagine how that man continues to rule.
Well, actually, I CAN imagine it. The idiotic thinking that you're ranting about would SEEM to be the norm in the States. And THAT's why I'm surprised that you're surprised, and it's why I'm not really surprised that Bush continues.
Blue skies
love
Roy
pollyticks aside, this is indeed a shining example of "The Great American Freedom" nowadays.
ReplyDeleteI've moderated a (US-based) game forum for a couple of years, and while the average of the posters/gamers there was well over 25, I can still for the life of me not distinguish between the bulk of the US posters and the average 5 yr old when it comes to " freedom of expression" in assiociation with the inevitable issue of "tolerance and civility".
The only way to tell, in my experience at least, is the use of (usually misspelt) polysyllabics to state that they are going to have their way or they are gonna screaaaaammm..
The sad thing is, that those people there were actually quite intelligent and logical, with good insight in complex systems (for that game you had to, to be any good at it..) And still they had that Button..
Fora/blogs like this tend to be Vocal Minority cuddle groups, and simply should be avoided for continued mental sanity.
But that is, of course, just my nsh opinion.
PS: LittleOne, Swan might be Demure and everything, but she's a maths teacher..
Those are Dangerous.. before you know it they lash out and use logic at you..
brrrr...
:P