There has been a lot of cyber-noise in the last few days about truth and honesty and trust. Many of us have engaged in intense discourse about how those things relate to each other, and how we experience that relatedness in our own lives.
There has come to be a side-bar discussion woven around all of that and focusing on the notion of the "good" dominant. It has been suggested that, in some quarters, there are partners who are "good," while in other places the "goodness" of the dominant is suspect. Frankly, there's a smugness and self-congratulatory tone to much of that commentary, but that is not what I am interested in discussing here.
I think that we too often bandy the ideas of "good" and "bad" around casually without really considering what it is we mean. Too, more often than not, our thinking is shaped by religious training and remains in the child-like state reflective of when we first encountered the ideas. That seems to be the case with the current line of thinking: honesty is "good," so absolute honesty is "absolutely good," and anything that falls short of that ideal is, by definition, "bad" or maybe even "absolutely bad." I just don't think that sort of dichotomous thinking takes us very far, and given the fallibility of humans, I'm not sure it is even a very useful formulation.
There's some heavy duty philosophical theory about "good" and "goodness," but I am after trying to winnow this down to something that is reasonable, and maybe even useful... Note: I am going to discuss the terms "good" and "bad" in the character and behavior sense -- not in the sense of experienced, qualified, and accomplished (or not).
As long as I have engaged in alternative choices regarding my lifestyle and sexuality, the "good" vs. "bad" theme has repeated over and over. It is a female and submissive debate. We regularly assure ourselves and others that we have a "good dominant." Or, if we want to come off as the edgy sort, we may declare with a fair dose of bravado, that we have a "bad dominant." I imagine that is mostly indicative of the fact that, for those of us who put large bits of our personal power into the hands of those dominant people, watching them and analyzing them and trying to understand what makes them tick become our all-consuming pastimes.
The "good dominant" is most often portrayed as that "knight in shining armor" sort of strong protector who makes his woman feel like a princess. Women who insist on this paragon paradigm will tend to point to character traits like kindness and responsibility and honesty and gentleness and generosity and... Yeah. Dudley Doright of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.** Ask a woman who claims to have one of these guys in her life and she will tell you that her man respects her and values her and cherishes her. Being in a relationship with the quintessential "good dominant" reportedly takes a woman into some kind of ecstatic spiritual journey leading to the ultimate experience of self-realization and self-actualization. As evidence of his goodness is the fact that he would never, ever do or say or ask for anything that might cause her true discomfort -- emotionally, physically, or spiritually. And so, obviously, if one is hooked up with the opposite number to Dudley Doright (would that be Snidely Whiplash?) then that fellow must be the "bad dominant." A "bad dominant," or so the implication goes, must be a person of low character -- no ethics, no integrity, no human feeling, no heart, and no soul. If a woman gets into a relationship with one of these guys, then she is going to end up abused, de-valued, broken, lost, ruined, and less than human.
Now, I think that drawing that duality as starkly as that is just silly. To posit that there are people who live their lives at the poles of character is pretty far fetched (the occasional Mother Teresa not withstanding). Far and away, the vast majority of us live somewhere in the middle range -- burdened with flaws and graced with glorious gifts as well. We come as human creatures -- homo sapiens. Ironic isn't it? In the midst of all this recent dust up, I'd sure wonder about that "wise man" designation.
So, how might we describe goodness in some functional and understandable fashion? There's a lot of high powered philosophical theory to address the whole question, but I am just not feeling it. I found this quote by Benjamin Disraeli, and I like where it takes my thinking on the subject:
“The greatest good you can do for another is not just to share your riches, but to reveal to him his own”
In my own life, that description of "goodness" works for me. Any of us, dominant, submissive, or just plain old, garden-variety vanilla type could find our way to being good if we simply came to life with this intent -- sharing whatever gifts we have, and helping all those with whom we come in contact to share theirs as well. That is, in the end, what being His has done for me. In His sight, and under His care and guidance, I've grown and learned and become the best I have ever been. His love, His dominance have revealed me to myself. Truly, that is enough for me, and I hope for Him.
** I apologize to my Canadian friends if our cartoon character, Dudley Doright, is somehow not a comfortable or politically correct reference. I really don't want to offend anyone.
swan
I don't believe any of us could take offense at Dudley Doright at the moment. Our Mounties are under intense scrutiny after five of them tasered and killed an agitated, non-English-speaking man in an airport instead of trying to subdue him. Good to see ole Dudley again, and Snidely too.
ReplyDeleteI'm also glad things are reasonably back to normal in the blogosphere.
Hugs,
Hermione
Great post swan. I struggle with the 'good/bad' debate and descriptors simply because what that means to each of us is different, often influenced by our upbringing, our cultural/religious influences, our environment and societal conditioning.
ReplyDeleteJust as we have 'good' and 'bad' days....so does he. Just as there are days I do 'good' 'badly', or 'bad' well' so does he. Such is the human condition.
To be able to grow and learn within a relationship is a both challenge and a joy isn't it? We have accurate but forgiving mirrors in our men. Let the descriptors fall where they will. Feels more than ok to me.
love and hugs xxx
I also struggle with using those words. I recall asking my Dad not to tell my son that he was a "good" boy when he was little. I explained that his behavior might be good or bad, but his essence, who he was, was intrinsically good. I didn't want my son to think that if he did something wrong that he would no longer be good. The behavior was not the toddler.
ReplyDeleteThis whole good/bad thing can get so messy. The concept of good and bad is subjective, value judgments which are not the same for everyone. And to force my values upon someone else is just not productive, especially when we aren't even "speaking" the same language.
I think the challenge for everyone, not just those of us in the BDSM world, is to put in the work to find ways to describe exactly what we're trying to convey when we say someone is good or bad. If we stop taking the easy way out by using those words, and begin being more clear and descriptive, perhaps we will find ourselves having more meaningful conversations. A by-product of this may also be that our relationships grow because we've taken the time to identify what it is we really think and feel.
idk
Just my 2 cents worth, obviously ymmv!
Peace
Tapestry
I received a comment about this post in a private email. I felt the writer had a valuable story to tell, and I asked her permission to post it here. My correspondent is from Belgium and was sensitive that her English might not be very good. While I found her use of English to be just fine. I have, at her request, made minor edits to correct some very minor grammatical "oddities," but the intent of her message has not been altered...
ReplyDeleteGreetings from Belgium :-).
I enjoyed reading your blog entry about goodness today.
I wanted to write something about it in the comments but my English is not that good that I'm confident enough to publish it in public. That's why I write this email.
The entry you made was something that was very real to me this week.
The dominant under whos care I've been the last six years ended our D/s relationship.
He was a lot older than me ( 20 years) and was married. His wife knew about me, they talked in length about His dominant feelings and his wish to explore them.
He always said to me his wife came first.. I was perfectly happy with the arrangement, I had no ambition to be His partner, He was kind of a Dominant Daddy to me. More of a mentor.
Still, although his wife thought she could live like that.. it was eating her up inside, more and more. So eventually she told him. And he loves his wife very much.
So we talked, he explained.. he couldn't find a solution.. there wasn't one.
He ended our D/s relationship. I understood. I really did.
I was sad, I am sad.. he is sad but made a choice ..
And I can't be mad at him. Still the funny thing is... in my D/s "environment" most people automatically made him "a bad person". I'm the good person (He ended the relationship and "left" me... the poor sub) and he is just bad.
So I had to deal with that too. I defended him.. I mean he isn't bad..
Maybe he should have known his wife would have problems with it.. maybe this, maybe that. Maybe all that is true. But I'm sure, even if his and MY choices were poor he had no "bad" intentions.
Neither had I.
People do things they regret.
I can't say I regret those six years. He made me a better person. He taught me so many things about myself and life in general.
So I'm really glad I've known him. Even if this had to end, even if it hurts now.. it was worth it. And no, he is not bad, he is a human. And so am I, and his wife.
"That is, in the end, what being His has done for me. In His sight, and under His care and guidance, I've grown and learned and become the best I have ever been."
That's the line in your entry that expresses what I felt this week.
How can one be "mad" at that person.
it was a privilege knowing him and that's what I told everybody.
They look at me puzzled and with a bit of disbelief but I mean every word of it.
Thanks for your entry it helped me sorting my feelings about this..
joy
joy, thank you so much for commenting. Before going further, I want you to know that your Engilsh in this comment, which I had the opportunity to read prior to swan's very minor editing, was better than that of 50% or our American posters in both articulateness and grammar, so please do not ever be concerned about contributing here. Too your English is way superior to all of our Dutch. You may know that people who speack three languages are called tri-lingual, and people who speak two languages are called bi-lingual, and people who speak only one language are called Anerican. We are currently having a debate in this country which has been on-going for a decade about whether we should tolerate other languages than simply English in our culture. Our political right frequently embraces linguistic ignorance as a proxy for patriotism, but their love and advocacy for ignornace is never ending
ReplyDeleteI think your story is wonderfully supportive anecdotal exemplification of swan's post's theme.
We seen to have reached a point (which I typically think of as a uniquely American malaise, but perhaps it is characteristic of current western culture) where the only way to note a contrast in lifestyle, or beleif, or values, or choices betwen yourself and another is to portray that difference as being representative of some degree of "evil" in the person you differ from.
You had a divorce. While it lacked the legal wrangling of a divorce that ended a legally sanctioned marriage, you were divorced none the less. Anyone who has had that experience can relate to the way friends too often choose one partner to be the "good guy" in the situation who has been victimized by his or her former partner. And that is within the context of a traditional monogamous marriage's coming to an end. Then, if you throw in the added dynamic of a polyamorous relationship on top of it, things really become complicated. Since most of us cannot cope with polyamory without it being viewed as evil or inherently exploitive, anyway, it makes the tendency to do this even greater. After all this guy, your Master (formerly), had more than one partner simultaneously. Even if you did have significant life beneift from your time with him, he should certainly have left his wife and taken you or not have ever had you. That is the message of all our cultural programming, and in that your relationship flew in the face of that, it is (unfortunately) even more likely that folks will choose to respond to your relationship's ending by choosing sides, rather than openly supporting you both through a painful time.
I know reading you and your positiveness about life that your future will be one of growth and development and there will in fact be Joy more than just in your name.
Perhaps over time you and your former Master can be good friends, but I feel confident things will go well for you in any case.
All the best,
Tom
Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you've imagined.
Perhaps not as in-depth as other comments...
ReplyDeleteBut I've never wanted nor trusted knights in shining armor. I prefer a knight in banged-up armor. If he's never been battle-tested, how do I know he's worth his salt?
Thanks, as always, to all of you for sharing here.
~Chloe