Greenwoman -- Your concern for perceived hurts, born of nuances in awareness and experience, is encouraging to me. Sometimes, I get convinced that "no one" cares. You've reassured me that my sense of complete alienation from the rest of humanity is misplaced.
Tapestry -- the re-echoing of that affirmation of validity is important to me. Thank you.
Impish1 -- I like that phrase: functional love vs dysfunctional...
KG -- I don't know how the "common law" part of all of this might work. I do know that the approach of marrying somewhere else in order to "force" recognition here seems pretty fruitless for the most part.
It is interesting that the laws that prohibit polygamy in our culture might be found (by our courts) to be discriminatory against women who are immigrant from other societies where the practice is more common. Thank you for looking into this.
sara -- another enlightening phrase and viewpoint in your words: "the superficial structure, not the heart to heart reality underneath." I like that very much.
bridget -- It does seem true that one has to live this in order to actually have a sense of what is missing. It is very difficult to explain the nuances of this to those who are safely ensconced in the cultural mainstream with regard to marriage.
Finally, OliviaManners asked a very difficult and challenging question in her comment:
"swan, it is a big question...but what do you think that people like you and I could do to effect any real change in perception or acknowledgment of this area?"
I feel a little overwhelmed, actually, when I contemplate some sort of "strategy" for pushing us (as a society) toward change. I'm sure that there are more politically and legally savvy minds than mine that have spent time contemplating the possibilities. With that disclaimer firmly in place, I am drawn to making some attempt at mapping out paths that might begin to shift the current set of realities:
joint adoption;
joint foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents);
status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent;
joint insurance policies for home, auto and health;
dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support;
immigration and residency for partners from other countries;
inheritance automatically in the absence of a will;
joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment;
inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate);
benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare;
spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home;
veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns;
joint filing of customs claims when traveling;
wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children;
bereavement or sick leave to care for a partner or child;
decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her;
crime victims' recovery benefits;
loss of consortium tort benefits;
domestic violence protection orders;
judicial protections and evidentiary immunity;
3) Those of us who are somewhat aware of this issue can begin to change things by beginning to change the way we see the world. Our society operates from a set of assumptions that divide the world into "singles" and "couples." There is the embedded view that those are the two possible relational states for adult humans in the world. Evidence of this perception is everywhere:
- pillowcases are sold in singles or pairs
- restaurants seat people (generally) at tables for two or four -- almost never odd numbers
- when there are promotions or deals for travel or entertainment opportunities, they are always arranged for couples
- you can buy his and hers towels, but not other configurations
- a wide range of products (especially food items) are packaged and sold to be served to two
- almost every image that we see that depicts adult loving relationship shows the cultural "norm" of one man and one woman
- almost every media mention of family and marriage assumes the "one man and one woman" construct
4) We can believe, and refuse to stop believing in the possibility. I like the ideas of the Transcendentalist, abolitionist, Underground Railroad leader, Unitarian reformer Rev. Theodore Parker. Most of the causes that this frail minister worked for never came to fruition until years after he died at 49 in 1860. He said: "Look at the facts of the world. You see a continual and progressive triumph of the right. I do not pretend to understand the moral universe; the arc is a long one, my eye reaches but little ways; I cannot calculate the curve and complete the figure by the experience of sight; I can divine it by conscience. And from what I see I am sure it bends towards justice. Things refuse to be mismanaged long."
very good post swan. a lot of food for thought there. thanks.
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good ideas in theory, though i dont know about the US, but I cant see those sorts of things being well received here in the UK where bigamy is a crime.
ReplyDeleteOk sure, it wasn't a long time ago before same sex marriages were made legal and not even that long before homesexuals could be put in prison...change can happen sure....but on this issue i don't think anything is likely to change fast, and I think individuals drawing attention to themselves is just going to create possible agro and attention you dont want.
Group action on the other hand...who knows.
happy new year
TG xx
Hello swan
ReplyDeleteI just stopped by here briefly this morning and have seen the time and thought and consideration that you've put in to the question I asked.
( I am sorry that I posted a difficult and challenging question when your post was about wanting some acknowledgment of something that was causing you distress )
And I want to give your response as much time and consideration as it deserves, and because I'd like to contribute my thoughts to it too, and add some ideas.
I will be back with a more fully formed response after some thinking.... hopefully later today.
And for what it is worth...I think people like you are exactly the sort of people that policy makers should be listening to or asking for help from to design their strategies...those with real experience, with real insight and most of all a compassion for the * whole* of society.
Thank you for thinking about the question.
Best wishes for the New Year.
Olivia
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I very much agree with Olivia about her assessment of your ability to lend advice to policy makers. Your perspective is filled with factual as well as emotional points that are very important.
ReplyDeleteI would hope that at some point you'd gain the ear of some of these policy makers. I think you've much to contribute to making changes.
I am deeply glad that anything I feel or say might restore your sense of people caring about each other. *smiles*
I think that its true that people do care. I think that sometimes people may not know how to say things or may get caught up in their own lives, but I don't think that people don't care. I certainly do care.
I think every single point you've made and each suggestion has merit.
I do have an additional viewpoint to add about boycotting.
For me, it is very similar to how people were feeling toward the Chinese government about their treatment of Tibetan Buddhist monks. In case you didn't know, they were starving and beating them to break their spirit and force them to give up their religion in the months just prior to the Olympics beginning.
There was an outcry to boycott the Olympics. Especially on behalf of the Buddhists.
However the Dalai Llama stepped in and said that he saw that the Chinese people as a whole were not trying to harm the Buddhist people and that it was not their decision to form this policy or take these horrid actions in treatment of the Tibetan people. It was the Chinese government. He felt it was wrong to punish the Chinese people who had looked forward to this event for years and prepared for it just to punish a handful of leaders for their actions. Many people had put great effort into this peaceful world experience so that they could welcome the world to their homes. And also the Olympics is supposed to be an event which brings people to peace and to understanding. He spoke against boycotting despite these actions which were inhumane. Because he felt to take away something beautiful as punishment for a wrong from those who did not create this situation is not fair and it takes away a source of loving/peaceful engagement between people.
I feel the same way about boycotting the marriages of my friends and family.
Even though the institution of marriage is not currently legal for you, it is still something that brings love and joy into families and communities. It is an honoring of those people involved. It is a bringing together of families and friends. In my world and heart's view, that is a sacred thing, not a political thing.
In my viewpoint, not honoring someone I love by sharing their joy in each other in great and small ways...from attending their wedding to participating in baby holding as the years pass is all about a marriage in whatever form it takes; making my community/family richer. Its not about the legalities of it. Its about love. Marriage in the moment of its event is about communion and love.
And I speak about this from the perspective of attending any kind of wedding, both those in which the participants chose not to legalize their vows, though they could have and even gay marriages. It is about loving in those moments, not about politics for me....because its about the people that I love celebrating each other.
I certainly do think that everyone, including those who are getting married could certainly benefit from not opening their wallets to all these expensive things and just have a heart ceremony that's simple and full of meaningful moment, rather than pomp and circumstance.
But it is every little girl's dream to have a beautiful dress on her wedding day and ever little girl deserves this dream to come true. Including you.
I do not doubt that you are hurt at seeing others enjoy something that you cannot legally experience....Not for a minute. It must really make your heart ache to think about how much you'd like to be standing there with T and Tom beside you, all of you dressed to the hilt...
And I ache for your pain about that loss....but I would also ache to see another's heart missing you because you can't get past the hurt of it to enjoy their loving with as much eagerness as you hope for from them.
For me, like the Dalai Llama, I think that something like this must be approached with compassion and with great patience. We must not hurt each other in order to form changes. That does not heal the original hurt and only creates another hurt along side it.
No for me, I go for the deeper need...I think to myself, what is it you really need here? Is it really, the legalities of it or is it the heart stuff of it? So I have to wonder to myself...Have you three never had your own ritual and celebration with your family and friends?
If not, then I think that, although it would not be a legal ceremony, it would be an action of love and it would be an act of power and beauty for the three of you...a statement in your hearts and in your community that you have the right to your happiness and family unit.
That in itself may heal these hurts a great deal...just as my acknowledgment of your emotions about this situation helped to restore your faith a little bit. It is your heart which is the most important here swan and what you can do to nourish yourselves as a family.
It does not give you these legal rights here that you are speaking of. It will not change your experience with your work.
But on the inside its validating to your heart. And that's a very powerful thing.
Whatever you decide to do to empower yourself, I wish for you a long and happy life together and I hope that you can live those years together with soft hearts and lots of joy.
Hello swan
ReplyDeleteAnd a Happy New Year to you and your Clan ;-)
I've read through your post again and picked out bits to comment on.
I too feel a desire to confront and correct the falsehoods that go unchallenged about marriage - for me it is probably less about marriage in itself, but more about the the way that society rarely questions why it is that marriage is supposedly the only way or certainly the main / correct way for unions to be formed, and does not consider the multitude of other ways that people may wish to live and be together. And as much as I want to question this and ask others to question it I know that I wish to find ways of doing this that are not confrontational or campaigning - that go with the grain and influence the grain in a seamless way, rather than going against it.
How do we do this?
When I read your very thoughtful list, other than wanting to acknowledge your hurt ( which I don't think I did with anywhere near enough compassion in my initial comment ) I also felt a little exhausted almost, because it did feel like a battle of sorts with actions that were time consuming and perhaps energy sapping ( although very good and heartfelt ideas! ) In my experience it is always a dilemma when wanting to shift perceptions about something, that those who represent the wonderful examples of how things could be, are not too imposed upon or brought in to a limelight they may not desire etc. And I felt that with some of those suggestions people would be really putting themselves "out there", something which may not be okay for some people. It also felt that perhaps the campaigning nature of the actions may separate rather than bring together; most people shy away or turn a blind eye to conflict.
I'm still not really answering my own question of " what can we do?" and " how do we do this? " and it was your list of what exists in the marketplace that got me thinking most. Mostly everything is geared almost exclusively toward couples, or of course singles too...we've been in the throes ( and woes! ) of an individualistic society for far too long! And I think we are shifting more and more in to a paradigm whereby community, multiplicity, interconnectedness etc, is being valued again or recognised in a fresh way. A really important shift in perception that needs to happen at this time in my belief. It may seem like a bit of a big leap from the question of equality in marriage but to me it links in with * the * really big shifts we do all need to make in our thinking, about how we all live, how we can consume less, what values we need to readdress, what we will need to learn to accept as new ways of living in a changing world, and I really believe that one of the positives of that will be the need for us all to come together more, to be communal, to be sharing, not just of our resources, but of our commitment and love too. For me, some of the values of polyamory; ethics, honesty, the spirit of cooperation, and emotional commitment, are traits that we need to see in abundance in our changing world. Sometimes in my idealistic and naive view I like to think that those who are practicing this ( like you are swan ) are endlessly and generously seeping out the learning and wisdom from your actions in to the world and that in itself is having a positive impact.
As Shannee said ( and I really loved what she wrote ), I do think people care too, and they would probably like to understand and learn more, I just think that to learn some people do need to see tangible, visible examples to hook on to or connect with. One way of doing this is to connect what we are doing, how we are choosing to live, in to the lives of our communities through their hearts and minds. Shannee's idea of a ceremony for the three of you is one lovely example of how this could happen. Linking in to events, communities and networks that are not necessarily carrying that label of " alternative" or " polyamorous" but just of ways of living, that highlight the positives rather than the differences.
I guess I believe that for laws to change, perceptions need to be changed first...through sharing how we choose to live, spreading positive stories and messages ( like your blog here and I suspect that this is where there are many other opportunties with all the social tools that exist on the web now ), connecting with others...and once people understand more and embrace it and share a vision for it, they cooperate and everyone may come together in collective action to change laws...
That is just one theory anyway!
Yours is certainly a voice to be heard though swan. You have much wisdom that many could learn from.
Sorry for the ramble!
I'll be thinking about this in an ongoing fashion for a while I imagine. Thinking about this certainly comes to the fore for me during such " traditional " family orientated times such as the festive season!
All my best wishes,
Olivia
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Here are just a few random links too ..
www.shirky.com - Clay Shirky is the author of the book " Here Comes Everybody - the power of organising without organisations." which is an interesting read about the vitality and influence that human beings can have in creating their own political movements, organisations, through to knitting circles, by coming together with the use of all the online social and network tools we now have available.
http://www.wannastartacommune.com/
http://culdesaccommune.org/
These two links spread the concept of community living ( not intimate community living ) but interesting food for thought about how we share resources while still living in our own spaces...
Just a clarification -- mostly for Greenwoman and Olivia, but also for others who might read here... Remember that the question was "what can we do?" I took that to be the sort of ephemeral, public sort of we, and not specifically Olivia and me. So, first, I was only listing possible options for ways to perhaps move change on personal and community levels. I'd agree that trying to carry out all of these "actions" would constitute a fulltime major occupation, and is impractical for many of us -- even IF we were willing or able to be that "out." Secondly, my listing of "boycott" among the options here was really not so much about US boycotting WEDDINGS as it was about those who have the option to marry themselves considering whether they want to do that or would choose to make a statement by not partaking of that privelege under the circumstances. I reallize that some of the possibilities I listed seem radical and perhaps confrontational -- I think that they ARE just that. I tend to follow a pacifist model for my interactions in the world, but I don't believe that the pacifist is always one who won't confront. Facing down evil and wickedness is a fierce undertaking. I'll insist that, while all people have the right to believe and choose as they will, that cannot happen at the expense of others. When one person or one group imposes harm on others, that is simply wrong and it is only our willingness to say so clearly and with deliberate intent that will change the status quo.
ReplyDeleteswan
Hello swan
ReplyDeleteThank you for the clarification..
I did mean it in the ephemeral, public sort of way, and not specifically just us.
I just found this....do you know of it?
Thought it looked interesting.
http://equalitycamp.com/
Olivia
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